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Tuesday, August 15, 2006

What is Love?


My French teacher, who was Polish, told us that the French didn't distinguish between the meaning of the words 'like' and 'love'. I bablefished the two words from English to French and came up with the words, 'comme' and 'amour'.
Maybe the language had changed from the 1960's or maybe my French teacher wasn't very good.
Whilst at it I bablefished the languages French, Dutch, German, Greek, Italian, Portuguese, Russian and Spanish. Each language had different words for 'love' and 'like'. Incidently they all had the same word for 'infatuation'.
So what is love?
My first thought was that it was an extreme form of likeing, but then so is infatuation. I'm sure most people would agree they are quite different.
So 'love' implies some sort of durability. This differentiates it from 'infatuation'. One additional unpleasant fact known about the subject of infatuation and the feelings implode.
But when does 'like' become 'love'?
Is it at an arbitrary point on a scale of 'liking' from 1 to 10. Let's say 7. So if you like someone more than 7 does it then become 'love'?
As a relationship progresses, a kind of emotional 'credit' is established. This credit is what carries the relationship through times of difficulties, or allows us to tolerate the almost inevitable flaws found in ones partners. A long history of credit will allow us to put up with a loved ones behavior going into 'emotional debit', but there comes a point when losses have to be cut.

"You'll know it when you feel it."
Maybe you will, but I'm uncomfortable with concepts I can't define.
I needed more research.

Plato started the ball rolling. He reckoned we only love the best bits of someone. Hmmm. This pre-supposes we know what love is and goes on a different tack. Sorry Plato, you're not much help.

At the turn of the first millennium, the roman writer Ovid, described love as a hunt, the lover and beloved are "shy predator and wily prey" and the nature of their love was "conquest."
Ovid......obviously a bloke then.

In 1822 the French writer Stendhal. Invents an analogy of the process of falling in love as being like a journey from Bologna to Rome. The analogy is entirely pointless so I'll cut to the chase.

Phases;-
  1. Attraction. ( The 'phwar' stage )
  2. Acknowlegement of return of affection. (I was looking back, to see if I she was looking back, to see if I was looking back at her)
  3. Hope. ( envisioning gaining the love of the loved one)
  4. Delight. (exulting, in the overrating, of the merit, of ones beloved)
Not much of a definition but some good points about falling in love are made.

Turn of the last century and the pioneer sexologist Havelock Ellis comes up with the equation.

Love = Sex + Friendship.

You may not agree, but it is refreshingly simple.

For a more complex and accurate appraisal, take a look at Triangular Theory of Love.

To me, it has to be more than Sex + Love, it has to involve some kind of connection.
So what do I mean by connection?
I don't know, maybe that's just another word for love. Which brings us back to,

You'll know it when you feel it.

17 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

love = sex + friendship
==
love - sex = friendship
==
love - friendship = sex

Well, the first two might work, but the jury is still out on the third one. Perhaps that covers infatuation and/or 1-night stands.

11:59 AM  
Blogger The Mistress said...

love = sex + friendship?

Not if you're describing the love you have for your brothers and sisters.

3:32 PM  
Blogger Frobisher said...

Interesting post, throws up as many questions as it tries to answer. Haven't been "in love" for a while, y'know that stomach churning sensation when you see your "love". Do you think it goes as time passes?

6:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

*brain explodes*

6:36 PM  
Blogger Andrea said...

You fall in love with your babies though - so I'm not sure how that fits in.

After nearly 20 years with the TB I can't still claim to have the tingles every time I see him, BUT, however much we've fallen out, yelled and been pissed off with each other I never ever don't want to see him. And when he isn't here it's as if I go a bit wrong, as if there is a bit missing. Which is probably as it should be.

3:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there's lots of different kinds of love, for example: a mother’s love for her children, there's love of your country, also the love you have for friends. but the love for your partner is completely different, as you said 'You'll know it when you feel it.'

10:04 AM  
Blogger Tickersoid said...

qenny- I like your thinking. A true equation should be capable of re-expressing.
Love - Friendship = Sex?
I'll plumb for the one night stand or the long term relationship that's gone a bit twisted.

MJ- I probably should have made myself clear, I was thinking only of romantic love.

Frobisher- I think the love triangle link examines that the most clearly. It's been a long time for me too.

The Lady Muck- Welcome back.
*picks pieces of brain off the computer screen*

Lippy- I think that probably is as it should be. The triangle of love map, shows how love changes with time.

100darkangels- As you're not the only one who's taken the broader meaning of love, it's clearly my fault for not narrowing it down. I think you're right. You do know. Even though I'm unhappy with that explanation.

10:27 AM  
Blogger Divian said...

I always thought Je t'aime to be I like you and Je t'adore to be I love you.

You'll know it when you feel it....can be confusing. Infatuation, obsession and lust can easily be confused with love.

3:11 PM  
Blogger Naughti Biscotti said...

One of the most helpful things I have read regarding love was:

"Regarless of how intense your feelings of love are, if they aren't returned your feelings are useless."

I think we tend to confuss love with infatuation. A big clue is when the other person has no feelings for you.

4:07 PM  
Blogger egan said...

I don't know exactly what love is, but I know I love this post. Great topic Tickers.

4:54 PM  
Blogger Tickersoid said...

Awaiting- According to Alta vista's Bable Fish. Je t'adore is 'I adore' and Je t'aime is 'I love'. Confusion can also be one of the feelings mixed in to make the experience more confusing.

Shandi- The last time I was infatuated, I got dumped. She had feelings for me but suspected mine. I'm over her now and we've stayed friends.

Egan- My post meandered a bit and lacked good structure, but I did uncover some interresting stuff. I'd recomend everyone check out the love triangle map link. It really is a good, and in my view thoughtful, attempt to examine the nature of love.

11:24 AM  
Blogger phlegmfatale said...

I think "comme" in french is the like of metaphor - "love is like oxygen," for ex. The french designer label "Comme des garcons" means "Just like boys" I think. Anyway, trust the french to throw a wrench into the works and smeg it all up. Love. Golly. It baffles me. I often think it's an evolutionary hoax to trick us into breeding. Then again, I'm more of a lone wolf type, anyway. Good luck sorting out that pickle.

2:59 PM  
Blogger FHB said...

Hm, trying to quantify the unquantifiable. maybe Ellis had it goin' on. You've got to be friends with the one you love, but there's different sorts of love with different people isn't there?

You don't love the wife the same way you love yer kids. And just because you think you're in love with someone you met in a light headed moment in a bar who then allows you to plow her furrows, doesn't mean you don't still deeply love the wife and kids, right?

Well, maybe that's not a good example.

4:24 AM  
Blogger Tickersoid said...

Phlegmfatal- Oh right! I feel such a fool not seening that ambiguity.

fathairybastard- We men are blighted by the drive to shag everything. It's true we will do it even though we love our wives deeply. In didn't but I understand why guys do.
Some of us, and I reckon it's only about 8%, find out during our 30's that shagging around doesn't make us happy. Happiness is best found by focusing our affection on on special person.

11:45 AM  
Blogger Spike said...

I thought I felt it once but it was just a rash.

4:20 AM  
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